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		<title>Terror Suspects To NY Trial, IL Prison &#8211; GOP Fails To Generate Fear</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many people have been asking the same question over the last year:  "Is there a point where Americans will no longer accept terrorism-based scaremongering tactics?"  The answer has arrived: "Yes...and that time is now." We take a look at two current news items:  AG Holder's announcement that 9/11 plotters will go to trial in New York...and Gitmo prisoners might be coming to Thompson, Illinois.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many people have been asking the same question over the last year:  &#8220;<strong>Is  there a point where Americans will no longer accept terrorism-based  scaremongering tactics?</strong>&#8221;</p>
<p>The answer has arrived: &#8220;<strong>Yes&#8230;and that time is <em>now</em>.</strong>&#8221;</p>
<p>Recently, there has been considerable news coverage of two stories.  Two  stories, that actually represent the very same issue:</p>
<p><strong>1 -</strong> Attorney General Holder&#8217;s announcement that the masterminds behind  the 9/11 attacks would be tried in a federal court in New York.</p>
<p><strong>2 -</strong> The announcement that a prison in Thompson, Illinois might be used  to house Guantanamo Bay&#8217;s detainees.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s start by taking a look at each of these issues independently:</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>New York Terror Trial:</strong></span></p>
<p>One can easily predict the response to <strong>BOTH</strong> these items from the  conservative camp.  Conservative pundits and politicians have made the  standard &#8220;<em>not-in-my-backyard</em>&#8221; argument, asking their viewers and  supporters, &#8220;<em>Do you really want these terrorists brought to the U.S.?</em>&#8221;</p>
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<li>Former New York Mayor Giuliani 	<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-collins/giuliani-the-brave_b_360408.html"> proclaimed</a> that the wounds in New York are still too fresh for the city  	to withstand the &#8220;<em>psychic pain</em>&#8221; of a locally held trial.  News  	flash, Mr. Giuliani&#8230;you can&#8217;t one minute tell us how strong New Yorkers  	are, and then tell us the next minute that they are &#8220;<em>too fragile</em>&#8221; to  	endure trials of the terrorists who attacked them.  <strong>The <em>former</em> is true:</strong> New Yorkers have shown themselves to be remarkably  	resilient, and there are few psychologists who <strong>WOULDN&#8217;T</strong> agree that a  	trial would be a further step in the healing process.  When people are  	attacked, it is of fundamental benefit to be able to &#8220;<em>face</em>&#8221; their  	assailants, and to see the assailants brought to justice.  <span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Side  	note:</strong></span> Senator Jeff Sessions (R-AL) also opposes the trial,  	calling it &#8220;<strong>unprecedented</strong>&#8221; and &#8220;<strong>indefensible</strong>&#8220;&#8230;strangely,  	both Sessions and Guiliani had 	<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/sessions-giuliani-backed_n_362479.html"> no problem</a> eight years ago with Zacarias Moussaoui (<em>the so-called  	20th hijacker</em>) being tried in the U.S.</li>
<li>Former Attorney General Ashcroft says that a trial in a civilian court,  	rather than a military commission, would be too &#8220;<em>transparent</em>.&#8221;   	Too transparent?  Is there such a thing when it comes to the American  	government and our national ideals?  <strong>No</strong>.  The absence of  	transparency brought us unjust investigation methods, unjust arrests, unjust  	detentions, and unjust treatment of prisoners.  There is only one way  	to get that particular train back on the tracks, and that is to apply the  	two hundred year-old, Constitutionally mandated, Due Process of Law.   	That means courts&#8230;it means evidence&#8230;and it means a jury gets to weigh  	that evidence and determine guilt or innocence.  <span style="text-decoration: underline;">Period</span>.</li>
<li>Senator Chuck Grassley (R-IA) 	<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/grassley-to-holder-rememb_n_362125.html"> said that all we need to do</a>&#8230;is to remember what happened in the O.J.  	Simpson trial and ask ourselves, &#8220;<em>Do we really want that to happen again.</em>&#8221;  	Really?  Is this perhaps the most inane thing we have ever heard from  	Chuck Grassley?  If anything hindered the O.J. trial&#8230;it was the fact  	that he is, to some, a beloved football/movie celebrity.  But Khalid  	Sheikh Mohammed and the other 9/11 plotters?  Does Grassley really  	think that a jury is going to wrongly acquit them because they are &#8220;<em>esteemed  	celebrities?</em>&#8220;</li>
<li>Senator Jon Kyl (R-AZ) told Holder that since Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has  	asked to confess his guilt to a military commission and be executed&#8230;that  	is what we should do.  AG Holder rightly pointed out to Kyl: we aren&#8217;t  	going to do what the <strong>TERRORIST</strong> wants to do&#8230;we are going to follow  	the American legal process.</li>
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<li>Karl Rove, Liz Cheney, Newt Gingrich, and Bill Kristol tried desperately  	to mobilize an angry mob to appear the day of the hearings, where Eric  	Holder would be explaining his decision to a Senate committee.  The  	effect of their scare tactics, utilizing the full force of the airwaves and  	the internet?  	<a href="http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2009/11/rove-cheney-gingrich-and-kristol-fail-rally-911-trial-foes"> Crickets</a>&#8230;</li>
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<p>It&#8217;s really quite simple:  These men participated in murdering thousands  of people in New York.  We have an established process for handling this.   We are very proud of our process for handling this.  The absolute  dedication to the application of the Due Process of Law is one thing that is  truly American, and encompasses all aspects in our belief in fairness,  justice&#8230;and the necessity for fairness and justice being decided <strong>BY THE  PEOPLE</strong>.  In the New York federal court&#8230;the defendants will appear,  and be represented by counsel.  The prosecutor, will represent the <strong> PEOPLE</strong>.  The jury, will represent the <strong>JUDGMENT OF THE PEOPLE</strong>.   What&#8217;s more&#8230;the process itself validates and establishes <strong>WHO WE ARE</strong> as  a people each time it is successfully conducted, and also serves as a point of  closure and healing for victims.  Much more so than some shadowy, closed,  military tribunal down in Cuba.</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: underline;"><strong>Relocation of Gitmo Prisoners to Thompson, Illinois:</strong></span></p>
<p>Thompson, Illinois has a prison.  An expensive, new&#8230;and <strong>EMPTY</strong> supermax facility.  Built during the boom times&#8230;when bust times came, it  was not practical to staff the prison, so only the minimum security section is  used, and for only a small number of prisoners.  The governor of Illinois  loves the idea of the prison&#8217;s super-maximum section being used to house  detainees from Guantanamo Bay.  The state&#8217;s two senators also strongly  support the idea.  The citizens of Thompson, a city experiencing very hard  economic times, love the 3000 jobs and over a billion dollars that the opening  of the super-maximum prison would create.  So what could possibly <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/14/thomson-prison-in-illinoi_n_358069.html"> be the problem</a>?</p>
<ul>
<li>Illinois Republican Representative Mark Kirk has been holding press  	conferences and circulating calls for support&#8230;saying that bringing the  	detainees to Illinois would make Illinois and its landmarks the new number  	one target for terrorists, specifically the Sears Tower, as it is America&#8217;s  	tallest building.  Kirk also warns that, if the Board of Corrections  	has authority over these prisoners, they will receive visitors&#8230;and he says  	that people would then have to be afraid of terrorists flying through O&#8217;Hare  	airport to come see their incarcerated friends.  <em>Ummm&#8230;Kirk</em>?   	The Defense Department would be buying the prison <strong>FROM</strong> the Board of  	Corrections&#8230;and has already said it would not allow the detainees any  	visitors.  Try doing a little bit of research first, before diving  	headlong into scare tactics&#8230;</li>
<li>Illinois Republican Don Manzullo, who is actually <strong>SUPPOSED</strong> to be  	representing the good people of Thompson (<em>who, again, want the prison to  	open</em>), warns that the terrorists will be brought here and then released  	into the Illinois community.</li>
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<p>Editorial boards across the country immediately <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/18/editorial-boards-slam-gop_n_362085.html"> criticized</a> this use of fearmongering, and set about stating the easy  counter-arguments to the GOP representatives&#8217; claims.  One of the best  columns, by <em>Sun-Times</em> columnist Neil Steinberg, makes some of the  clearest points:  <a href="http://www.suntimes.com/news/steinberg/1889631,CST-NWS-stein18.article"> Here&#8217;s his column</a>.  I&#8217;ll summarize, thusly: First of all, there are  already Al Qaeda terrorists being held in Illinois&#8230;27 of them&#8230;it hasn&#8217;t  caused Al Qaeda to &#8220;<em>zero in</em>&#8221; on Illinois yet, so what&#8217;s 200 more?   Secondly, history proves that trying to avoid doing anything to provoke &#8220;agents  of evil&#8221;&#8230;doesn&#8217;t really work (<em>it&#8217;s called &#8220;appeasement&#8221; and you Republicans  claim to be against it</em>).  Third, being home to the tallest building in  the U.S., doesn&#8217;t really mean anything&#8230;when terrorists have shown interest in  military bases, trains and subways, shopping malls, government buildings, and a  multitude of other targets.  But it turns out, the columnists were not the  only people who thought the senseless fearmongering had gone too far;  Some  Republicans and conservatives are fed up with it as well:</p>
<ul>
<li>A statement was released by the Constitution Project, David Keene,  	founder of American Conservative Union, Grover Norquist, president of  	Americans for Tax Reform, and former representative and presidential  	candidate Bob Barr&#8230;saying that the housing of Gitmo detainees in Thompson,  	Illinois&#8230;&#8221;<strong>makes good sense.</strong>&#8220;  They didn&#8217;t stop there, and went  	as far as to say, &#8220;<strong>The scaremongering about these issues should  	stop&#8230;[there is] absolutely no reason to fear that prisoners will escape or  	be released into their communities.</strong>&#8220;  You can read the rest of the  	statement 	<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/16/conservative-trio-support_n_358928.html"> here</a>.</li>
<li>Illinois Republican Representative Jim Sacia 	<a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/17/illinois-republican-we-wo_n_361114.html"> was even more direct</a>, saying that legislators (<em>including his GOP  	brethren</em>) who oppose the measure to move the detainees to Thompson&#8230;are  	&#8220;<strong>idiots</strong>.&#8221;  Sacia said, &#8220;<strong>My thinking on this is extremely  	positive.  If we lose this opportunity. All I can think of is we  	literally are idiots. I mean that sincerely&#8230;I understand I&#8217;m on different  	pages of music with others in my party. First of all this should not be a  	partisan issue in any way. If President Obama brings the detainees on U.S.  	soil and we sit here with a brand new state-of-the-art, max security prison,  	sitting vacant for the last eight years, and pass on an opportunity to sell  	it to the federal government, which we would fill it with 1,500 regular  	prisoners and 800 detainees, what is the problem? The building was designed  	to do that.</strong>&#8220;</li>
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<p>So, perhaps that&#8217;s &#8220;<em>it</em>.&#8221;  Perhaps Americans, even conservative  Americans, are not willing to accept arguments the consist of nothing more than  &#8220;<em>If we do [insert action here] the terrorists will kill you.</em>&#8220;   Perhaps Americans are no longer willing to set aside Constitutional rights and  the guarantee of Due Process&#8230;just in the sake of &#8220;<em>perceived safety</em>.&#8221;   Perhaps Americans think jobs and revenue are more important right now than  slippery slope arguments regarding what the terrorists &#8220;<em>might</em>&#8221; do.   And perhaps&#8230;just maybe&#8230;because Americans are no longer willing to be scared  into supporting GOP positions&#8230;the GOP is realizing that they have to make a  better argument.  <em>Just perhaps&#8230; </em></p>
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